tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4589517995412770159.post4404494473113926363..comments2022-12-13T03:26:16.267-05:00Comments on The Adventures of Maël & Cindy: Ordination - a Proposal - Part 2 of 2Maëlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14413309286655265584noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4589517995412770159.post-3827873108741502292010-06-23T15:51:46.004-05:002010-06-23T15:51:46.004-05:00John:
I appreciate your honesty when you state th...John:<br /><br />I appreciate your honesty when you state that you are "coming from an organic perspective, Jesus headship perspective of His body." But, this leads me to my first question. Should we approach Scripture through the looking glass of our own perceptions? Should we not read Scripture with the intent of allowing it to form our perspective, being open to whatever God has to say, whether it fits into our system of ideas or not? BTW - I do agree that Jesus is the Head of His Church/His Body.<br /><br />From your post, I'm assuming that you see Acts 6 as a description of something done by an erring church and therefore should not be used as a pattern for today's church. But, it seems that you do not have that same concern with the other three passages. Therefore, can we not use the Acts 13, 1 Tim 4, and 2 Tim 1 passages as patterns of how we, nowadays, should respond to and "[agree] with the Holy Spirit on what He [is] saying," to use your own words? <br /><br />I don't agree with your evaluation of Acts 6; I think that their actions can also be used as a pattern, especially because of the fact that the pattern of commissioning is found elsewhere in Scripture.<br /><br />Again, thanks for the interaction. <br /><br />BTW - I do have another question about your 1st comment on this post. In it, you state: "the proper terms that should be used instead of the titles or positions of leader, elder, pastor." I'm confused. Do you see those three terms as not proper? Why?Maëlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14413309286655265584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4589517995412770159.post-70209177681413939622010-06-19T18:23:04.864-05:002010-06-19T18:23:04.864-05:00Hey brother because I had too many characters I po...Hey brother because I had too many characters I posted my response on my blog at: http://johnswilson3.wordpress.com/2010/06/19/a-response-to-an-ordination-analysis/<br /><br />Great stuff brother!John S Wilson IIIhttp://johnswilson3.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4589517995412770159.post-85322218201759639652010-06-19T13:03:11.740-05:002010-06-19T13:03:11.740-05:00Dear John:
As always, I appreciate your interacti...Dear John:<br /><br />As always, I appreciate your interaction. I also appreciate your passion for the body of Christ under the headship of Jesus Himself, and the passion for the fact that "all are called to function in the body." I totally agree with you on those points. To be sure, I am not for an institutional church, for I fear that way too often it stifles the work of the Spirit of God. <br /><br />But, as I set out on this journey to see if the concept of ordination was Biblical, I was confronted with the Scripture passages I presented in this series. It seems that you disagree with my interpretation of them, so can you tell me how you interpret them? Call it whatever you want, how do you interpret these actions of "setting aside" found in the NT (Acts 6, Acts 13, 1 Tim 4, 2 Tim 1)? What can we learn from those passages? Are you saying that the church was in sin when they performed the setting aside actions/ceremonies in the 4 Scripture references listed above? Do you think that at those times the church was focused on those persons rather than on Jesus?<br /><br />Looking forward to reading your answer.Maëlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14413309286655265584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4589517995412770159.post-73936328153428131752010-06-19T10:02:00.712-05:002010-06-19T10:02:00.712-05:00While I appreciate your research Mael, it done see...While I appreciate your research Mael, it done seem to be focused on only one form of church which is organized, a form of church not practiced in Scripture, and when described only in a negative light. In the context of organic church life I think this aspect of ordination (which is thrown out with the bath wash realizing all are called to function in the body) and now commissioning looks at it from the aspect of Jesus as Head and His eternal purpose described by Paul in his letters and seen in his church planting journeys. Commissioning is done by God, He commissions. Those in the body recognize the commissioning and see them as guides, those who have shown maturity in the things of Christ and those who care for the body (all relating to the same persons) (the proper terms that should be used instead of the titles or positions of leader, elder, pastor), those who help the body keep Jesus as the focus and Head of the Body and not some thing or someone. The problem is like so many times as has happened in history with Israel and in the church we want to have a king or leader, making a ceremony that focuses on the person and not on Jesus, installing this person into some official position or office, like the rest of the world around us with its devastating consequences both to the body of Christ and His expression of Himself to the world.John S Wilson IIIhttp://johnswilson3.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com